White supremacists versus the community: Austin and Twin Cities activists confront the NSM
Austin, Minnesota (Updated 8pm Sunday)--It was fifty facing off four: fifty activists from southern Minnesota-based Centro Campesino, Anti-Racist Action, Bash Back--Twin Cities and other Minnesota activist organizations across from four members of the National Socialist Movement. As they do every so often, the neo-nazis rallied on Saturday at the Veterans' Memorial in Austin's quiet downtown, across the street from popular local restaurant El Mariachi.
In this town of 25,000 about two hours south of the Twin Cities, it's hard to find someone who doesn't have experience in the meatpacking industry. The legacy of the contentious 1985-6 Hormel strike, combined with Bush-era rhetoric targeting undocumented immigrants and the divide-and-conquer strategy of right-wing bosses has led to animosity from some white residents. They say Latina/o workers are lowering wages and taking their jobs. In this context, overt white supremacists have begun to gain public acceptance.
After neo-nazi speeches were drowned out by the screams of the anti-racist crowd on Saturday afternoon, police protection from three different agencies arrived for the NSM. Three people were arrested while others were sprayed with mace. What led to this scene, and what lessons were learned?
This is Part 1 of a two-part article on Saturday's events. Check back to TCIMC later for Part 2. Related: Neo-nazis Repelled from YWCA in Minneapolis | Photos below
The strike, the city and the future
As anti-racist protesters arrived, organizer Ernesto Velez Busto of Centro Campesino gave some background to the situation and spoke of his hopes for a larger campaign. Austin is heavily dependent on one employer, meat products giant and Spam-producer Hormel. In the wake of a hard-fought and desperate 1985 strike quelled by the National Guard and national union leaders, the company began to replace strikers with lower-waged workers, many of them recent immigrants who were vulnerable to company pressure. "This town has a history," emphasized Velez Busto. "There's this mentality of not looking at the top tier, the [company] that's screwing both sides." He pointed out that immigration reform, which is opposed by the neo-nazis, would improve life for US-born and immigrant Austin workers alike by providing steps to citizenship and protection for documented and undocumented workers, preventing unscrupulous corporations from exploiting immigrant workers for low wage labor.
Centro organized a series of workshops in Austin in September, part of a weekend of rallies and educational events in the towns of Owatonna, Austin and Albert Lea. Entitled "Latino Voices," "Immigration 101," and "Taking Action in Our Communities and Organizing For Reform," the workshops were well-attended by immigrant advocates, Austin city employees and curious area residents. Meeting with city employees in particular, Velez Busto said, "allows us to go deeper in our work" by making the city itself feel accountable for what's going on. But the sessions also drew three surprise attendees: members of the NSM.
He also noted that NSM member Samuel Johnson had complained in the workshop that local companies would rather hire immigrant workers because they could be pressured to work for less. "That's where we're not so different," said Velez Busto lightly. "We'd like to make more money per hour too."
In an Austin Daily Herald article the next Monday, the Herald quoted Johnson as saying during the workshop, “There’s three neo-nazis here, and the rest of you are liberal communists.”
Velez Busto was optimistic about the results of the counter-demonstration Saturday. Although he stressed his hopes for a peaceful event, "it's almost impossible not to have the shouting." The media coverage, he hoped, would have a positive impact for the Latin@ community. "[It's good when] people come here and support these communities who don't always expect that." He did point out, however, that local media coverage was often skewed against immigrants' rights and speculated about the fact that papers in almost every nearby town are owned by the same man.
In fact, the Herald rarely identifies the small NSM group as neo-nazis. For example, despite wearing swastikas and running a website with the number "88" - meaning "Heil Hitler" - the newspaper still described Sunday's event as simply "a rally against illegal immigration" and did not use the words "neo-nazi" or "white supremacist" at all.
In the future, Velez Busto said, he'd like to see a local media campaign, perhaps involving local businesses, to bring townspeople together against racism. He hopes to work on more community forums, workshops, movie discussions and round tables to "create conversations [among] city residents and at the same time create peer pressure" to step up against racism. He also feels that the city government must take a more active role in making clear that racist sentiments and the National Socialist Movement are not welcome in Austin.
Who are the neo-neo-nazis?
There aren't very many members of the NSM. It's difficult, after all, to recruit people to openly idolize Hitler. At their last two demonstrations, only four have been in evidence, all white men whose ages appeared to range from their late twenties through their fifties. Their rhetoric seems clownish and contradictory--while repeating the same material found on their website and spouted by them at every event, they accuse anti-racists of having the "the same old ideas". After attempting to demonstrate in Minneapolis last month, on Saturday they told Twin Cities protesters (who comprised perhaps three-fourths of the counter-demonstration) to "get out of their town". To the amusement of many, they spoke about "marxist communist anarchists"--but only after a long period of describing all their opposition as "communistic marxists".
Interestingly, one neo-nazi described himself as a Republican and alleged that the police are part of the same "fascist" grouping as the ARA, Centro Campesino and liberals in general. This did not prevent him or the rest of the NSM from accepting a police escort away from the demonstration.
A local resident described NSM member Sam Johnson as a failed pro skateboarder turned drug-dealer now turned white supremacist, while a passing Viet Nam veteran remarked, "I fought in Viet Nam for four years for this country....these idiots have never even been out of Mower County."
Among their recent demonstrations, the NSM also held a counterprotest of a Centro Campesino vigil in the nearby city of Fairbault on July 10 and 11. In a Herald article on that event, an NSM member is quoted as saying, "Hitler is not dead; he’s alive in our hearts." And on their website, the neo-nazis brag about a petition against "illegal immigration" they delivered to the Austin City Council, then deride the city's mayor for not signing on.
Austinites respond
The most vocal Austinites at the demonstration were veterans who were appalled to see the war memorial used by four men who support Hitler and who freely and loudly heckled the "bald-headed assholes" at the foot of the memorial wall.
Residents Jordyn and Shaina, who had been eating lunch at El Mariachi and stopped to see what was going on, did not like the NSM presence at the war memorial and were also dismayed by the NSM's support for Hitler. Both young women described the NSM as hypocrites and referenced the criminal record of one NSM member. Jordyn added that she welcomed immigrants--"they're just trying to come up here and succeed," she said, "as long as they pay their taxes like everybody else."
Another Austin resident, Brayan, said that he was glad to see the anti-racist protestors defending Latin@ immigrants. "I'm kind of mad with the people who think we're out here to hurt America," he said. "We're just coming here to get better lives. He said he did not feel that most Austin residents supported the neo-nazis.
Lucas, however, felt that the anti-racist protesters were too violent and used unneccessary profanity. He described undocumented immigrants "banking on welfare" and felt that while US citizens who are employed in Austin spend most of their money in Austin, immigrant workers send money back home, taking it out of local circulation. When talking about the tough economic times that have struck Austin, he spoke of his mother, who is out of work and is having trouble getting government aid. He spoke against undocumented immigrants, though recognizing that there were "long lines" for those who apply for US visas, but "they just come here and get sent back anyway." Lucas described Mexico as a corrupt country whose policies drive its citizens out. "Why don't they get organized and go against the government?" he said.
Jonathan, an Austin resident who attended the anti-racist demonstration, said that at other rallies, the neo-nazis had claimed not to be racist, emphasizing only their anti-immigrant stance. This rally, he said, was the most clearly white supremacist one he'd seen. "Some of the slower people in town," he said, had initially believed that the NSM were not racist. "There's people on the fence," he said, "people who don't want to come out as nazis" but who sympathize with racist and anti-immigrant views. He talked about watching a documentary about the dangers faced by undocumented workers trying to cross the border.
He and his friend Aaron, another Austinite, talked about the Hormel strike and how hard the accompanying job losses and pay cuts had been for the town. Aaron's grandfather "fixed the spam machines," and had made the difficult decision to go back to Hormel after the strike was lost because he needed to support his family. Both Aaron and Jonathan connected the strike to anti-immigrant sentiments in Austin.
Jonathan described an earlier NSM rally in June at which a counter-demonstration organized by local immigrants' rights supporters. He said that police took pictures of all the counter-demonstrators, even though everyone simply stood well away from the neo-nazis, holding signs on the sidewalk. It seemed to him, he said, that according to the arrest records in the local paper there was a spike in arrests and immigration charges for Latin@ Austinites in the wake of the demonstration.
This Saturday, as the crowd began to grow and police began to arrive, most of the local Latina/o activists present early on chose to leave the scene.
The arrests
What looked to be the same four neo-nazis who showed up to try and protest the Minneapolis "Confronting White Supremacy" workshop last month arrived at the Veterans Memorial, on the lawn of the Mower County law enforcement center, before anyone else. Slowly, a crowd of about 50 arrived in opposition to the neo-nazis, who didn't hold signs or flags but instead stared down the anti-racists and exchanged verbal barbs.
When one neo-nazi tried to read a speech through a megaphone, the crowd boisterously drowned him out with chants of "No Nazis, No KKK, No Fascist USA." A few rotten vegetables had been lofted his way.
Soon, as one demonstrator attempted to take a photo of NSM member Robert Hester, Hester swatted the man's cell phone away, sending it flying through the air and breaking its screen. Austin police moved in, but did nothing except tell the anti-racist demonstrator to move back. As the crowd grew more upset, it became louder but didn't appear to physically threaten either the neo-nazis or the police. Nonetheless, police charged, spraying several people with mace. A demonstrator later said that in the melee, somebody tripped over the neo-nazis' sound system. This apparently became the alleged basis for at least one arrest.
Shortly thereafter, an Austin police officer maced and arrested someone who allegedly threw a "glitter bomb" towards a neo-nazi, whose all-black outfit sparkled with yellow glitter. Then, another officer reached past a banner to grab and arrest another activist; video footage shows the activist had done nothing but stand in place prior to the arrest. Two of the arrestees were from the Twin Cities; one was from Austin.
About half an hour later, police suggested to the neo-nazis that they leave, then escorted them inside the law enforcement center, presumably to be accompanied to their car at a later time.
Despite their claims of neutrality, police officers' actions led many to the conclusion they sided with the neo-nazis. Also stirring controversy was the presence of the Minnesota Peace Team, an organization which sends members to act as self-proclaimed peacekeepers but which some demonstrators felt escalated the conflict. They had been invited by Centro Campesino to attend previous events in Austin, such as the rallies in September. On Sunday, they generally stood between the anti-racists and the neo-nazis, and, said some demonstrators, repeated commands of the Austin police.
One of those arrested, a trans activist, described his experience in jail. He said that when he was initially booked, the arresting officers repeatedly asked him what he was being charged with, although he didn't know. Officers also asked if he was a boy or a girl, then followed up with "what were you born as?" When the activist replied that he was born trans, he heard someone say, "he was born trans--he doesn't have any genitals." Another officer took him aside into a conference room and asked whether he it was true that "you don't have boy parts". After multiple consultations, however, the arresting officers did book him into the men's holding section.
Two of the arrestees were charged with unlawful assembly - although no dispersal order was given in the public park - and obstruction of property, both misdemeanors. The other, according to the Austin Daily Herald, was charged with disorderly conduct and criminal damage to property.
Court dates have been set for October 26 at the Mower County Courthouse, 201 1st Street NE, Austin.
Check back later for Part 2: Austin is a company town--local struggles against racism and union-busting
The four nazis showed up at the Veterans Memorial before any anti-racists arrived. Ironically, they later quoted holocaust denier David Irving - who was recently imprisoned in Austria for his Nazi activity - while responding to a question about WWII from a protester.

soon anti-racist activists began to arrive, this one carrying a captured white supremacist flag altered to say "Made in Taiwan"


This neo-nazi received much verbal abuse for (among other things) his poor spelling ability

Police try to push the crowd back...

...then spray and charge. A reporter later asked an officer why they used mace. "Criminal damage to property" was the perplexing reply. Several people were hit but none suffered lasting injuries.

And snatch someone, the third arrestee


One Nazi tore up an ARA flag while the protesters mocked him


Yes folks, they really are neo-Nazis.

Soon the NSM packs up and leaves, accompanied by the Austin chief of police (green shirt)
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Shows nazi hitting camera out of anti-rascist protester: http://www.kttc.com/global/story.asp?s=11332635
Austin Daily Herald: http://www.austindailyherald.com/news/2009/oct/17/mace-used-illegal-immi...
commercial journalism fail
oh my gosh, that KTTC piece is HORRIBLE journalism. they waffle on whether the NSM are actually nazis, despite the NSM's repeated admission that they are (more on this in the expanded article coming soon here). the video was also for their 10pm news, and yet they were unsure whether all the arrestees had been released (they had). and they claimed they were all charged with disorderly conduct - false. one of them was, according to the Herald article; the rest had unlawful assembly and obstruction of property.
although the video makes it clear that it was the nazis who escalated the conflict, followed by the police macing and arresting anti-racists, the anchors fail to say this themselves.
and, quite, honestly, their crowd estimate was a gross overestimation.
the Herald article plays up the "out-of-towners" spin - "at least one resident from Austin, Jonathan Thompson, was among them." There were a lot more than one, if they had bothered to look.
And - wow - the Herald blames the escalation this way: "At about 3:10 p.m., a member or members of the protesting crowd damaged part of the sound system Johnson was using," making no mention of the cell phone incident.
Also a terrible article that fails to put the story in any context whatsoever, and - most shockingly - fails to identify the NSM as either Nazi or even white supremacist, both of which they freely admit they are. This shouldn't be surprising - growing up in southern Minnesota, I know that down there, commercial media doesn't just try to sneakily conceal the truth like in most places, they outright lie and cover up the most crucial facts. But it's still infuriating, especially to think there for thousands of people sources like KTTC and the Herald are quite literally their only source of news. Alternative media thrives in the big city, but not in a place like Austin. What to do about this?
I agree with how poorly
I agree with how poorly reported it was and did anybody else see the person from one of the news media who was taking very extensive notes of the protesters? He seemed really irritated and it seemed to me that he was part of the news crew but he also could just as easily had been a supporter of the neo-nazi's. Not to mention that he looked like a militant skinhead also and was just bothered by the protesters.
Maybe people should protest the obvious support for the NSM by this news organization.
And also, iwith the extensive
And also, iwith the extensive note-taking, usually people involved with mainstream news media do not do that with tons of individual people.
That is your response to a
That is your response to a criticism of the lack of objectivity by a conservative racist news agency. That's sad.
And how convenient that they wrote it in your favor and you distort and exagerate what my response is all about.
Be afraid! Be afraid! Common sense is worse than the Boogey Man! lol
Do you hold this silly view
Do you hold this silly view for the NSM from Austin that comes to Minneapolis to hold a rally?
And why was Robert Hester from Albert Lea there? So not only did you have just four people but one fourth were from Albert Lea. And are the other three living in Austin?
And if I'm not mistaken, your party is not about only being ignorant in Austin but the whole area. And superficial boundaries don't really mean anything anyways. If that's the only criticism to make then you really don't have much do you?
Oh wait, and Erik Flann is
Oh wait, and Erik Flann is from the twin cities and not Austin? So only hopefully at least half of the fourneo-nazi's were in Austin.
And there were way, way more than just two people in Austin who were part of the protest.
Interesting that the racist news agency reporting on the situation did not bother to mention any of this.
It's true. The MN Peace team
It's true. The MN Peace team is NOTHING but a BURDEN in events like these. They were toally IN THE WAY and NOT helpful at all.
I never heard any of the yellow hats
repeat "commands of the police." I think that sentence in the above article is falsely reported and should be corrected. The yellow hats were an independent group just like everyone else. Some of them were at the YWCA two weeks ago, and at the Austin workshop back in September, and weren't a "burden" to anybody--in fact they have a relationship with the Latino community and were originally invited to come down back in September by Centro Campesino. On Saturday two yellow hats went up to the front at the point when the Nazi with the mouth guard came right up to the line like he was trying to start a fight. When the police moved in those two yellow hats actually got hit with mace! And in what sense do you think the ones standing there in front were "in the way"??--anybody could have simply walked right around them if we had wanted to. Other yellow hats were back with the rest of the crowd and helped hand out the "respect" stickers, which lots of people liked, and they stayed around waiting for those that were arrested to get released. So what's your problem, what do you have against the color yellow?
What is the role of the Peace Team? Defending rights??
If the Peace Team would actually push back against what the police were doing in any way then there might be some benefit. For example if they had gotten the police to hold off on bombing everyone on September 2nd 2008 as older demonstrators were still coming back past Mickeys Diner.
Instead it just appears to be adding a weird dynamic between an already complex situation of country cops, Nazis and anti-racists. What is their dynamic supposed to be? Do they make life any harder for police or others smashing Constitutional rights to Assembly? Do they care?
Good work on handing out candy though, its a start.
Regarding "repeating the
Regarding "repeating the commands of the police" (that was my sentence in the article above, which Frowner and I co-wrote) - this was a compaint I heard from many after the RNC and from at least one activist in Austin.
Beyond hearsay, though, I can cite at least one intriguing instance of this. I haven't closely reviewed all of the video I shot, but I did review the incident in which neo-nazi Robert Hester slaps the phone out of a demonstrator's hand and sends it flying. Immediately a police officer comes in and orders the demonstrator to move back, saying nothing to the neo-nazi. There are three peace team members nearby; none of them try to talk to the nazi either. Two are standing next to the demonstrator; one gives him his phone back.
Then the demonstrator begins to politely ask questions of the police officer, and steps back as requested. "Will you talk to him [the nazi] please?" The officer barks at him to move back again. Another of the peace team members is hovering over the demonstrator's shoulder saying something to him, and then she puts her hand out and clearly says ".... move back."
Now once again, nowhere in this clip does the peace team ever talk to the neo-nazi - not to ask him why he did it, not to show him the damage to the phone, nothing. Previously, before the demonstrators arrived, the peace team was already there and were talking with the nazis; I saw at least one shake a nazi's hand.
Also of note is that nowhere in this clip does the peace team attempt to talk to the police officer, even though again - before there were any demonstrators around, they consulted with the police. But when the action got tense - at least in this situation, and my educated guess is that it applies in others as well - they only chose to engage the people they were confident would listen or would at least tolerate them - the anti-racist protesters.
Clearly, the police were the ones using the overwhelming amount of force (one might call it violence) - they can mace people at wlil, they can kidnap people at will, and if a demonstrator throws a simple water balloon, he'll be the target of much greater force from the cops. Clearly, if one's mission is to promote nonviolence, one ought to at least question the source of most of the violence. But that didn't happen, and understandably so - it wouldn't have accomplished anything in this context, because of course the police don't see the peace team as a neutral force. They got maced, too.
The ironic thing is, most of the demonstrators didn't see the peace team as neutral, either. It seems like only the peace team themselves did.
I'm reminded of a quote attributed to Desmond Tutu: "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality."
I'm interested in talking with people (both from the peace team and not) about the situation and their role further, though in a forum more conducive than the comments section :-)
I always wonder why the peace
I always wonder why the peace team is facing the demonstrators and not the police...
Yellow hats are worst than
Yellow hats are worst than useless.
Huh? Look at the photos.
#1, 4, 6, 8, 10, 11, 12, and 18 on this page show yellow hats facing either in the direction of the police (who are standing over to our left side at the front) or in the direction of the Nazis (who are straight ahead). #5 and #14 show two of them facing the demonstration, and #7 shows one in the middle of people. So the photographic evidence would seem to overwhelmingly contradict your statement. Perhaps you're saying that because you are suspicious. Okay, but the fact is that there is a good diversity of groups that are working on this issue. I think that's a positive thing--you don't want to discourage more people from getting involved.
Point #1: Are we even looking
Point #1: Are we even looking at the same photos? 6 out of 9 of the photos (7/10 if you want to include duplicates) show the peace team facing or confronting demonstrators.
Point #2: Photographic evidence seems like a stupid way to measure this, as I could easily take a hundred photos of the 5 minutes when Yellow Hats are facing the police and only two photos when they are policing the demonstrators.
Point #3: There seems to be a large number of people voicing their frustrations about the Peace Team, their self-assignment or interference at protests, and the ideology that goes into adopting this self-assumed role.
Wearing a yellow hat and getting in the way and policing demonstrators isn't my idea of getting involved in demonstrations. Either come as participants or stay home. Drop the self-righteousness. And get rid of the goofy yellow hats.
And sure, candy and respect stickers are great, but that didn't stop people from getting maced.
Yellow is the color evoked by
Yellow is the color evoked by light that stimulates both the long and medium wavelength cone cells of the retina about equally, with no significant stimulation of the short-wavelength cone cells. Light with a wavelength of 570–580 nm is yellow, as is light with a suitable mixture of somewhat longer and shorter wavelengths.
In the English language, yellow has traditionally been associated with jaundice and cowardice. Yellow is associated with the word "caution" and is the second light on stop lights; in American slang, a coward can be said to be "yellowbellied" or "yellow".
HMMM...
Correction request
The peace team did not at any time in Austin “repeat the commands of the police.” The instance that you refer to is when I (one of the peace team members) was near the demonstrator whose phone was knocked out of his hands by Robert Hester. The police told the demonstrator to move back and when he did a little bit, the police kept repeating it. He moved back a little bit further and I said some things to support him in the tense situation. He had moved back. One of the things I said was something like “you’ve moved back.” Maybe this is what you are hearing on your video. This was not telling him to move back, it was supporting him when the police were aggravating the situation. Soon after that the same cop asked the demonstrator to talk to him off to the side. I went over to where they were in order to support the demonstrator. The police then told me to move back from them. I did, but stayed close by to keep monitoring. Afterward the demonstrator thanked me and later we followed up with more conversation. There are no instances in Austin when peace team members “repeated the commands of the police.” Please correct this part of your article.
Thanks for the clarification
Thanks for the clarification about that incident - I appreciate you chiming in.
I edited the article to remove the word "often" - since that at the very least seems to be an exaggeration, for which I take the blame and apologize - and added the words "said some demonstrators," since repeating the police's lines was in fact a complaint (and a vocal one) that I heard. Whether this complaint was meant to mean literally repeating language "Move back"/"Move back," or as a more general statement that people felt the Peace Team's actions tended to help the police more than the anti-racists ("Police of the left," were the exact words of one protester), I'm not sure.
Again, I'm interested in exploring the broader issues of strategy and tactics surrounding the Peace Team further, perhaps in an article in a couple of weeks. If anyone has something they'd like to add to it, please email me: haloka -at- riseup -dot- net. (And remember, you can also publish your own analysis to the newswire, too!)
haloka
tcimc volunteer
My chief concern about the
My chief concern about the Peace Team is that they tend to prioritize the right wing over non-activists attacked by the right. It's true that they devote much of their time to policing the left rather than the right, but I've always assumed that this is because they recognize that neither right-wing activists nor the police will listen to them.
But by trying to corral the left, they're guaranteeing that local people have to put up with the presence of the NSM, since the left isn't allowed to shut them up or drive them out. When activists successfully ran these same four NSM-ers out of Minneapolis, I saw a member of the Peace Team trying to hold back the anti-nazi activists, shouting about how the NSM should be treated "with respect". For that member of the team, people going into the YWCA and people who live in the neighborhood (like me) should have been treated all day to a disgusting display of ignorance and racism. This in a heavily immigrant and African-American neighborhood!
When white folks (and the Peace Team members I've seen appear to be--like me--white) allow the presence of nazis (Nazis! Fer chrissakes, people, what does it take?) we are saying to our neighbors of color that we care much less about their safety and comfort than we do about the "right" of a bunch of grown men who should know better to parade their racism.
It sounds like the concern is that those of us
functioning as a peace team at a given event could be perceived as suppressing the left and/or allowing people to express racist ideas. Is that right? And so that might indicate a lack of our being adequately grounded in anti-oppression work? If that's what you're saying, I agree with you that this could be a problem. We need to do continual education and training to address this. At the same time, I would ask you to consider that the peace team recently, upon invitation, provided nonviolent accompaniment for immigrant rights marches and workshops in Owatonna, Austin, and Albert Lea. Some of your characterizations and assumptions, above, are ones for which I respectually disagree. I think a face-to-face conversation about this would be immeasurably valuable and potentially quite constructive.
Ok, you were invited
Ok, you were invited somewhere once. That's great, thank you for trying to be allies in that situation.
But this time, I didn't hear a single person say that they invited you or were in any way grateful for your presense. Don't get me wrong, I respect your convictions and admire the courage it takes to stand in the middle of volitile confrontations in the name of peace. What I don't admire is how you insert yourselves into situations and try to control how other folks choose to express themselves.
You were helping the Nazis on saturday. I know that wasn't your intention and that you will absolutely refuse to see it that way, but that's what happened. The Nazis were already there and holding their "rally." That was happening. By getting in our way while we were trying to shut them down, you were actively assisting the Nazis. As others have already said, neutrality (or even anarchism and pacifism) is no excuse for inaction when oppression is occuring.
Think about what happened and think about why you do what you do. What is your goal? Is it to prevent "violence" no matter who the instigators or targets are? What qualifies as violence? How can you best reduce violence in the world? By policing activists in specific situations or by challenging larger systems of violence? Are you even effective at stopping violence? During the RNC, I saw some peace team folks get gassed along with demonstrators. Other than making you feel warm, fuzzy, and Ghandi-like, what purpose did that serve? You did not reduce police violence at all and, in all probability, were seen by the police as just another protest group.
Stop being the self-appointed nannies of the left. Stop hassling protestors and ignoring larger issues. Stop being the superhero who goes after petty thieves but ignores systemic injustices that create the necessity for theft. Stop making yourselves feel good at the expense of the agency of others. Just stop it.
Neutral??
I have participated in a number of the recent peace team events, and I'd urge you to be aware that we haven't been using the word "neutral" at all. It's true that we don't represent an established political party or tradition (i.e., are "nonpartisan" in the dictionary definition of the term--perhaps the term "anarchism" or the term "pacifist" would fit us better, but that's a discussion for another day). But of course you can't be neutral in a situation of violence, injustice, and oppression--that's the whole point. I've partnered with the immigration rights community on accompanying anti-racism marches. I've had a conversation with a Minnesota NSM member about his perspective on class-based oppression. I've said "hi, nice weather we're having" to a police officer and went into the Austin police station later to advocate for the release of the three people who were arrested on Saturday. I've sat in jail for three days for blocking a train full of (some possibly even nuclear) weapons. Did you know that the (NSM?) guy with the mouth guard on Saturday had a knife, body armor, baton, and stun gun on him? (as reported in the Rochester Post-Bulletin)--my partner in a yellow hat was up in the front shadowing him, at considerable personal risk. While you make some excellent observations--great Tutu quote, by the way--they are not quite critically connecting with what we peace teamers are actually doing or how we articulate acting out of the strength of a nonviolent power dynamic.
Not neutral.
When you show up and claim not to be taking sides in a conflict between nazis and anti-racists you are choosing your side, siding with the oppressors. When you shake hands with the nazis you may as well be spitting in the face of people of color, the immigrant community, the jewish community, the queer community, anti racist whites, and the list goes on and on.
If you want to take a moralistic stance on violence, the very LEAST you can do is not to condemn the tactics or actions of those you (hopefully) seek to ally with, in working to eliminate oppression. I appreciate the fact that you went to jail for blocking a train full of weapons, keep up the good work. Continue to work against injustice to build a better world in the ways you see fit, but please don't show up to police actions which may include tactics you disagree with.
I encourage to you to reflect on what position(s) you hold that allows you to take a moral high ground on what is violence/non-violence. The message of the nazis undoubtably contributes to an increasingly dangerous atmosphere for immigrants and people of color in Austin-encouraging hatred and dehumanization which lead to an increase in hate crimes. By promoting 'tolerance' and 'respect' in this case, you are supporting their right to spew hate speech which has been shown to incite violence against oppressed communities.
Need proof?
http://www.civilrights.org/publications/hatecrimes/escalating-violence.html
"Tolerance and respect."
I appreciate the discussion, which is helping us on the Minnesota Peace Team to think more deeply about our actions and their effects. In terms of the current comment, I would like to point out that I (speaking for myself) do not promote tolerance and respect for racist positions such as those contained on the NSM website (see www.nsm88.org/25points/25pointsengl.html ). Rather I promote tolerance and respect for people who for whatever reason have been led to hold those positions. You may disagree, but I believe that the hateful positions of racists can most effectively be countered by finding out what has led them to hold those positions, and then showing them how their legitimate griefs (like losing jobs) actually have other causes and require other remedies--how, in particular, elites who seek profits through inhumane wages and working conditions try to divide their victims and set them to fighting each other rather than the structures that maintain the injustice. I believe that straight-on violent confrontation tends to harden them in their irrational positions and in their sense of persecution.
I was the "yellow hat" who was "shadowing" the young NSM activist. I was not aware that he had a knife, body armor, baton, and stun gun on him, but I was aware that he had a mouth guard which he said was "for fighting." I also spoke briefly with him before the event and heard him claim that his goals could only be achieved through fighting and war. That is why I moved up on him when I saw him move right up to the line of protesters--I expected he might start a fight, and intended to restrain him if he did. At the same time, I made no attempt to interfere with what the protesters were saying.
If two sides both want to start a fight, the role of a Peace Team is difficult to determine, especially if neither side feels any connection or bond with Peace Team members. (There is a famous example of the Buddha coming between two armies which were about to go to war over water resources during a drought, but in that case both armies had family ties with and respect for the Buddha.) Even then, a peace team might help protect people who don't want to be part of the fight. I am aware that the local Hispanics and other immigrants feel threatened by various elements in their communities and afraid to participate in a confrontation that could lead to violence and possible reprisals. It seems to me unlikely that violent confrontations will cause the NSM to move out of town or out of state.
You should know that the Mn Peace Team discussed various complaints about its role in the Republican National Convention and tried to take them into account. We will be discussing the current complaints as we meet to debrief Saturday's event.
As several of my colleagues have also stated, I would be interested in continuing the discussion in face-to-face conversations.
Thanks David. I am glad that
"Did you know that the (NSM?)
"Did you know that the (NSM?) guy with the mouth guard on Saturday had a knife, body armor, baton, and stun gun on him? (as reported in the Rochester Post-Bulletin)"
Were any members of the "peace" team aware that this person had a knife and a taser on him during the rally?Or was that only afterwards because of the Rochester Post-Bulletin?
Afterwards. But right before the demonstration began,
one of my peace team parters went over to talk to him. It was obvious from the first words out of his mouth that he came to the rally that day with a different agenda from the other three NSM members. He was ready to attack us at the slightest physical provocation. That this didn't happen is a testament to the discipline and focus of the demonstrators.
At the YWCA there was a security team in place with green bandanas marking their function. Where were they on Saturday? We really could have used some people on hand who represented the various coalition groups at the demonstration, designated by bandanas or hats or something, and trained in appropriate security procedures agreed upon by the event organizers, like appeared to be the case at the Y.
I'm just wondering if any of
I'm just wondering if any of the "peace" team members knew that they were carrying a knife during the rally but didn't bother to even let people know that they were carrying weapons like that. If they knew and didn't care to say anything than I kind of have a problem with people supposedly there for "peace" and not letting people know that they could have been easily stabbed and harmed.
Peace team should go back to just being complacent democrats, their accomplishing just as much.
No, we didn't know until afterwards.
No, we didn't know specifically about his knife until afterwards--but his words were clear enough. I agree, we need good communication between movement security people and demonstrating groups if there is a possibility of weapons or aggressive people being present. Or at least, we could all use some good training to effectively prepare for an appropriate response if people are attacked or provoked.
To: We didn't know until
To: We didn't know until afterwards...
"Movement security people," well, that's the problem, isn't it? Self- styled "security people" for what movement? Under what authority? With what authority? Many of the anti- racist participants opposing the Nazis in Austin were either anarchists or anti- authoritarians. Yellow Hats have absolutely no authority over anarchists or anti- authoritarians, any more than the fascist scum do.
Excellent point.
I used the term "security" because that's what the group with green armbands called themselves two weeks ago at the YWCA. They didn't represent any organization, or at least they wouldn't say what organization it was--so it was evidently a self-styled and self-proclaimed "peace police" group. Yes, I totally agree with you--be it green armbands or yellow hats, we always have to give a power and authority critique to their actions. I think you'd probably agree with me that the goal is the self-empowerment of everyone. Absolutely. Then you don't need any green armbands or yellow hats or anything. Or weapons, either. We're not quite at that point, yet, but perhaps we're making some progress.
No we most certainly ARE at
No we most certainly ARE at that point! If we've learned anything from the 20th century, it's that our means and ends CANNOT be distinct! To organize poorly in anticipation for a 'post-revolutionary' situation when authoritarian institutions can be abolished does not work. If there's some anticipated future point when self-appointed peace police are unnecessary, then they are not necessary right now.
Also, the idea that the nazis are going to listen to reason is puerile. They're NAZIS. The basis of their ideology is hate! They don't want to chat with you over tea, THEY WANT TO KILL YOU. You're not going to make friends with them and come to an understanding; the only thing to do about them is to chase them out of town, to pursue them wherever they rest, to shine a spotlight and announce them, to exhaust and weaken and demoralize and destroy them! To interfere with their annihilation puts blood on your hands!
There's a huge difference
There's a huge difference between the "security team" at the YWCA event and the "yellow hats" at Austin and the 2008 RNC. The security team at the YWCA counter-protest was not keeping people in line or discouraging people in the demo from acting. They were actively defending the members of the counter-protest and seeking the provide a wall of confrontation with the Nazis and (if needed) police.
The MN Peace Team is not accountable to anyone or any of the social movements. They are not there to defend the "good guys," they are an outside group getting in between us and the Nazis (or cops or whoever).
We have to reclaim the concept of security from these self-righteous types. Security means working class solidarity and defense, not Gandhian posing and "neutrality." If I see the Peace Team at the next demo I'm at, I will tell them point blank to get out of the way. We need our own security team/marshalls and they funtion to defend us against the enemies of our class, not simply stand in the way and be "neutral."
A face-to-face conversation
would clear up some of the misperceptions, here. (The writers of this Indymedia article know how to contact me.) But the fact is, as a person who was on the peace team at this event, I basically agree with where you are coming from. Perhaps there are several frustrations at work: 1) What to do with responding to and holding accountable the Austin police for rushing into a crowd of people, pepper spraying, taking down/tackling three nonviolent anti-racism demonstrators who were not actively resisting them, handcuffing and arresting them, and giving them what appear from a reasonable standpoint to be trumped-up charges. 2) How to best engage the local NSM group when they appear to be adopting a position this time of not directly fighting back, and they make statements supposedly distancing themselves from the odious positions of the broader NSM movement. 3) How the peace team, or armbanded security team, or the entire group acting as security, or whatever, can act out of a radical, transformational anti-oppression stance without people injuring each other and making it worse.
a person who openly
a person who openly identifies as a nazi, that is, as a fascist, trying to use fascist as a derogatory slur? well... i suppose you have to be pretty fucking dumb to be a nazi anyway
Racism
No matter what the color of your skin is, there is going to be a time when you will be a victim of racism. We all go through it at one point or another and it really is just sickening. blagues
Media
There were more people taking notes and pictures. Does anyone have the media source?
Funny how bad you lie
Your report is nothing but lies!
I am from Austin and watched the whole event and you make it out that you did nothing wrong to get maced and arrested. You broke the law. Why don't you put on here what your people did. Your not even from Austin. I don't like the Nazi's but upon talking to them they have good points. They don't hate anybody and they are not fascist. They are trying to help White's. Last time I checked this is a majority rules country and yet white americans have no voice. If you need to go against them at least learn their beliefs first. Otherwise your the ones getting them more members.
you can't just help the
you can't just help the whites that is dumb if you want to help people you have to help all people not your own race and i have no doubt that these guys are racists when the protested and anti racist workshop... yea that is somthing a non-racist would do
nazis don't hate anyone and
nazis don't hate anyone and aren't fascist? sounds like you need to do some reading. you can start by googling, oh i don't know, the holocaust?
as for "just trying to help whites," this is the nonsense bigots always spew and its a lie. they don't want to "help whites," they want to hurt everyone else. and what do you mean white americans have no voice? most politicians are white. most news anchors and reporters and commentators are white. most business leaders are white. white americans have more more voice and power than any other group in this country.
perhaps what you mean is that poor white americans don't have a voice? this is true. its also true for poor people of every color. we're all being fucked over by another class- the rich. it has nothing to do with skin color, so how about we stop dwelling on nonsense europeans made-up to justify slavery (races) and start working on getting rid of the real enemy, the ruling class?
Spelling of the sign
I wrote Fascist wrong to prove that you are the true Fascists when it would be corrected by you. .....
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Hahaha! Nice
Hahaha! Nice recovery-of course that was your plan all along!
Greatest backpedal ever!
"I wrote Fascist wrong to prove that you are the true Fascists when it would be corrected by you."
Wow. I mean ... wow. I simply cannot thank you enough for this. This is honestly one the most hilarious things I've read in weeks. You, my friend, are a master. I'm actively considering abandoning all of my deeply held convictions and simply following you around in the hopes that you will say something like this again.
You're my favorite 'lil Nazi guerilla-linguist. Keep up the good work!
WW2
Kick those Nazis asses just like we did in World War 2. -WW2 vet
Right on! These boneheads
Right on! These boneheads are spitting on the grave of tens of millions of people. Hitler was one of the greatest villians of the 20th century and anyone who emulates him deserves a boot up their behind.
who is oppressed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism
rochester post-bulletin article
http://www.postbulletin.com/newsmanager/templates/localnews_story.asp?z=...
nazi identification WIN, but trans 101 FAIL.
Nazi's failed
Hey ya Nazi punks. remember me? I was the kid in the black bandana and blonde moehawk. I was up front. You guys thought you were so fucking high and mighty standing behind the cops. :/ You all are fucking disgraces to this country.
Also, i didn't know Mister clean was a Nazi!
Go shove your White power crap up your asses!
To the 'Peace Team'
Seriously, it was absolutely INFURIATING on Saturday when you guys stood in the front of us, blocking our banners, blocking our signs, blocking US, and trying to make small talk when seriously there is a MUCH GREATER issue going on.
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Fuck off Peace Police
Middle-class authoritarian pacifists like the Peace Team should either get out of the way or be considered part of the problem.
I've seen assholes like the Peace Team at major demonstrations and at every point, they've stabbed people in the back, by corralling the march, by aiding the police and by getting in the way of anyone who wants to do something other than hold a clever sign no one gives a shit about. Go to any ANSWER march and you'll see people like this.
Y'all need to get off it, no one appointed you to get in our way and considering you tried to STOP ANTIRACISTS FROM CONFRONTING NAZIS, you are no friend or ally, you are just as bad.
You guys support oppresssions by not letting people deal with them directly. End of fucking story.
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