"Anarchist" Rapist Gets The Bat: We'll Show You Crazy Bitches 2

I like to think of myself as an anarchist, and I'm definitely not a pacifist. Yet I find this account, if it is accurate, to be profoundly disturbing.

What you describe is, in effect, a confession by torture. It is not much different from the U.S. pulling random people off the streets in Baghdad and Kabul and waterboarding confessions out of them.  And while a tiny percentage of those folks targeted by the U.S. were probably just as guilty of their crimes as "jacob" is of his, that still doesn't justify torture.

Now, if you had directed your actions toward the State that creates and encourages the objective conditions that produce people like "jacob," that might be another matter.  As it is, you've only punished one rapist; you've attacked a symptom, but not the disease.

-timmy

"Your rights begin with your fist, but end at my nose."  -Ancient anarchist tenant

I think this is in NYC, based on the fact that it follows up a similiarly named action that happened last week. I'm not sure if this stuff is for real or not, but it's stupid. NYC anarchists have got to get their shit together. I'm also not ruling out the idea that this stuff is a fake by a joker or the cops, trying to mess with us. So let's not get too riled up about it til we get some confirmation.

I am not a fan of this sort of action, but victims confronting a perp and doing a little property destruction is FAR from state sponsored torture. The power dynamic is completely different, just for one. They don't mention actually beating him up. I hope that is correct.

Both sides of this are pretty fucked up.

...or otherwise seeking revenge for their acts is much more appropriate than talking to them as if they were humans. No second chances.

The end.

Transformative justice is all well and good in certain instances - ie, if we were all living in an eco-socialist-utopia where rape culture has been addressed and eliminated; so that the only time someone feels violated is due to being looked at the wrong way, which is due to a genuine accident on the part of the violator - and has f*** all to do with power.

We don't live in that society.

We live in patriarchy where sexual assault is at pandemic levels. If rapists and other predatory abusers were made aware that their actions come with severe consequences (even if it is just someone's flat or car being trashed), then it has been shown that rape and abuse levels decline.

There is a war being waged against anyone who identifies as feminine and anyone whom patriarchy identifies as feminine (or those who act outside of the feminine role patriarchy says they ought to have). Or hell, anyone who patriarchy just plain doesn't like seems to be fair game for rape. Are you really telling us not to fight back against structural oppression? Would you say that to those who have experienced brutality from state or capitalists?

How about we have the boss of nestlé sit down with the enslaved children who were picking their cocoa beans to do transformative justice? Or how about the torturers within guantanamo bay sit down and do transformative justice with the people they tortured? Or how about the boss of x corporation who in full awareness signed documents allowing the the water in your neighbourhood to be poisoned over many years - causing your family's bodies to be riddled with cancers and neurodegenerative diseases leaving your mother paralysed and your infant children unable to see, talk or walk and consigned to a life of constant pain... and do transformative justice? Or how about, come the revolution, all those nasty capitalists who are killing us as they don't want to hand over their factories and lands, how about we sit them down, and we do transformative justice with them (that is if they don't shoot us in the process)?

Do you see how ridiculous transformative justice sounds?

Why would you fight against capitalist or statist abuse, yet not against the perpetrators of sexual abuse?

Has someone been wronged? Don't be a victim. Justice is just one visit to a sporting good store away. What a wonderful world we will create with our Louisville Sluggers of righteousness. Or if you're on a budget, borrow a child's bat and teach them how to inflict justice with it too. Let slip the dogs of war and maybe some croquet mallets too.

TAKE THIS DOWN

So, in co-abusive relationships, the person that gets smashed is just the one that's slowest to stand up for themselves?

I mention this because I've seen it happen. In radical communities, one of the most effective ways to avoid being tagged as an abuser is to beat the survivor to the punch, tell everyone that your're the REAL survivor, and tell people to get the bats. 

You know, given the overall legal/political situation we find ourselves in, perhaps going online to brag about committing felonies is not the absolutely best way to empower people to fight back against rape and other sexual assault.

The police and FBI are not stupid. Brutal, lazy, uncreative and deceitful, yes. But stupid? No. They've read all of this. This is all *evidence* now.  Maybe no prosecution will come out of it directly, but why give them even the tiniest bit of leverage? Why make their jobs easier?

The enemy is listening.

I feel mixed about this. I'd encourage woman/men/x as well as survivors to have facilated community conversations on this topic.

Forgive but, don't forget.

"you know, they never really owned you
you just carried them around
and then one day you put 'em down
and found your hands were free"

It is both fascinating and telling how many of the 'concerns' about this action have to do with Security Culture and how this vigilantism is a tactic that could be used by the cops to destroy movements.  Or how this kind of assault can play into the hands of the State...

Hey there einstein, guess what, you find a more movement destroying action than rape itself and I'll personally throw you into the Hudson for being a bold faced liar and most likely a perpetrator afraid of your own actions coming home to roost. 

Rape is what is destroying our 'movements' our 'circles' more than anything else,

hands down more than anything else,

well, racism, classism, homophobia, vanguardism...but rape is an act of war, period.

And to all the 'grey area' mactivista boyz out there, get your heads out of the sand and go learn yourself something serious about consent, real active consent, real sexy consent, and see some radical transformation go on...

and to all the 'security culture' folks, our movement ain't really all that now is it?  come on and admit it, you are afraid of your own actions coming home to bite your ass like a aluminum bat...

not saying posse is gonna solve any problems, but rape is the act of war, and retaliation is self defense, nothing more, collective self defense and until we boyz start taking it real, real, serious, like more serious than all the discussion around street tactics and covert action then expect more late night louisville rendez vous.

Security Vulture: How many prisoner benefits and court dates do you plan to go to this year? A lot, right? Did you ever stop to think that maybe if people in this movement were just a tiny bit less clueless about security, you'd be going to a lot less of those? Prisoner support and court support are not optional. We HAVE to do them. And everybody who goes out and gets themselves busted because they chose to play into the cops' hands is taking very, very limited resources away from the people who really need them. They are, in a very real sense, betraying our comrades who have already been arrested.

I agree that sexual assault helps to destroy our struggle. But so does adventurism. Right now I'm seeing about a thousand times as much adventurism as sexual assault in this scene. If you want to plan and carry out an intelligent, meaningful action, then I'm right there with you. But bragging about your crimes is the mark of an amateur criminal, and one who won't be on the streets for long. The adventurists in our scene like to castigate everyone else for not being radical enough. By which they mean "not reckless enough". But there's more to building an effective social movement than getting a swelled head and a badass rep for how down with violence you are. Violence certainly has its place in our actions, and anyone who wants to maintain the state's monopoly on violence is perforce not an anarchist. But I'd argue that the people who are strutting around and talking all this big talk are not really anarchists either. They're looking for ego validation and nothing more. The ones that don't get busted go on to be professors and non-profit administraitors. They think they are a vanguard, but they're just doing the cops' and provacateurs' work for them.

Do whatever you want to rapists, but be fucking smart about it, and don't expect me to come to your benefit dinner when your self-aggrandizing bragadoccio gets you locked up.

hey there totally clueless:

Some really good points.  Well put.  Yes, of course it's stupid to carry out actions that are going to get more people, potentially, put in jail.  Even dumber to brag about them on the internet,   I hear you loud and clear on that one.  Unless of course you are sending out a manefesto of sorts, a notice of a fundamental shift in how communities many or may not decide to respond to acts of sexual violence.

Understanding the roots of violence and what I would describe as acts of self-defense, are important in understanding the ways forwards.

People will always organize in their own self defense and self interest.  If people are being raped and the raping seems to not be abating with all the self help groups, often and led and instigated by perpetrators of late, then what are people going to do?  Ostracize?  Exile?  Those have been tried in many communities, just sends the perpetrator down the road to another community where they/he begin the predatory cycle again.

Circles/self-help groups, most often easily manipulated by manipulators.  Really, been there done that, for a long time.  Doesn't mean that some really powerful good comes out of it, but statistically not that effective.  Often allows mactivists a way back into a scene so that they can be trusted again, only to repeat their predatory patterns.

So, what happened that instigated this whole dialogue, will most likely continue to happen...and all of the finger pointing and gnashing of teeth and wishing it away in the name of security culture (often a code word for don't rock the boat when mactivists are called out), aren't going to do a damn thing.

It's as natural as a tornado, as powerful as a twister, and it's a warning, a warning to all of us, that unless we stop raping, yes, just fucking stop it, then someone is going to  huff and puff and blow our little activist house down.

And if I am ever in trouble legally, don't worry I won't be calling you to hang around and get free food at my trial.  Now is not the time to make idle threats, now is a time to listen to what is happening, what will continue to happen unless something changes friend.